1 00:00:02,132 --> 00:00:05,874 Rex Heuermann is a demon that walks among us. 2 00:00:05,875 --> 00:00:08,920 A predator that ruined families. 3 00:00:08,921 --> 00:00:12,054 It's sick, it's senseless. It is pure evil. 4 00:00:12,055 --> 00:00:15,623 Many in the community find it hard to believe that Heuermann 5 00:00:15,624 --> 00:00:18,582 is the notorious serial killer. 6 00:00:18,583 --> 00:00:21,846 The fact that he had a thriving business in New York City 7 00:00:21,847 --> 00:00:25,894 is not something that you find most serial killers having. 8 00:00:25,895 --> 00:00:28,462 You know, people are like, "How do you not know?" 9 00:00:28,463 --> 00:00:32,335 He was pretty much a monster living a double life. 10 00:00:32,336 --> 00:00:37,427 The difference between his Dr. Jekyll and his Mr. Hyde. 11 00:00:37,428 --> 00:00:39,908 They're like two different universes. 12 00:00:39,909 --> 00:00:41,257 If these claims are true, 13 00:00:41,258 --> 00:00:43,607 we're tying this man to six bodies. 14 00:00:43,608 --> 00:00:45,522 This is stuff Hollywood movies are made of. 15 00:00:45,523 --> 00:00:49,092 Investigators pulled over 200 guns from his house. 16 00:00:52,052 --> 00:00:54,836 I was at the range with Rex, 17 00:00:54,837 --> 00:00:57,969 and I made the mistake of touching the gun 18 00:00:57,970 --> 00:01:00,668 when Rex was downrange picking up targets. 19 00:01:00,669 --> 00:01:03,585 This is the sound that Rex heard. 20 00:01:04,847 --> 00:01:07,370 He pulled out his gun. He starts running to me. 21 00:01:07,371 --> 00:01:09,242 "What the fuck are you doing?" 22 00:01:09,243 --> 00:01:11,070 He got this close to me like this, 23 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:12,767 and I put up my hands and I said: 24 00:01:12,768 --> 00:01:15,423 "I'm sorry, Rex." "Sorry, sorry, sorry." 25 00:01:16,946 --> 00:01:19,165 Rex, put the gun down. Rex, put the gun down. 26 00:01:19,166 --> 00:01:21,471 He goes, "You scared the shit out of me." 27 00:01:21,472 --> 00:01:22,864 "I thought you were gonna kill me." 28 00:01:22,865 --> 00:01:25,345 I'm like, "I'm really sorry." 29 00:01:25,346 --> 00:01:27,608 And he holsters it. 30 00:01:27,609 --> 00:01:31,091 It was really, mm, scary, yeah. 31 00:01:32,092 --> 00:01:33,744 Thinking back now, 32 00:01:33,745 --> 00:01:37,140 I think that was the monster that's hiding in there. 33 00:01:38,141 --> 00:01:40,708 Rex at home, his family, 34 00:01:40,709 --> 00:01:44,233 his wife and his kids respected him. 35 00:01:44,234 --> 00:01:45,756 But I also think that: 36 00:01:45,757 --> 00:01:47,932 "Oh, you don't wanna piss dad off." 37 00:01:47,933 --> 00:01:51,501 Could it be that they feared him? 38 00:01:51,502 --> 00:01:54,025 You're with a monster, but the monster is good to you. 39 00:01:54,026 --> 00:01:55,636 Maybe you can have both things. 40 00:01:55,637 --> 00:01:57,768 You can be nurturing, and caring, 41 00:01:57,769 --> 00:02:00,032 and have this double life. 42 00:02:01,208 --> 00:02:04,254 It's just horrible. It's just horrible. 43 00:02:54,304 --> 00:02:56,131 Ten months after the arrest, 44 00:02:56,132 --> 00:02:58,960 there's this huge moment in the investigation 45 00:02:58,961 --> 00:03:02,355 when the investigators using computer extractors 46 00:03:02,356 --> 00:03:06,576 are able to get this HK Microsoft Word Document 47 00:03:06,577 --> 00:03:09,275 from Rex Heuermann's computer. 48 00:03:09,276 --> 00:03:13,235 He had composed it on his laptop, then deleted it. 49 00:03:13,236 --> 00:03:14,976 And the thinking is 50 00:03:14,977 --> 00:03:16,586 that he assumed that it was gone for good 51 00:03:16,587 --> 00:03:18,545 and wouldn't haunt him down the line. 52 00:03:18,546 --> 00:03:20,329 But through modern science, 53 00:03:20,330 --> 00:03:23,463 investigators were able to dig this stuff up. 54 00:03:23,464 --> 00:03:27,728 Investigators speculated that the name of the document, "HK," 55 00:03:27,729 --> 00:03:30,078 referred to Hunt and Kill. 56 00:03:30,079 --> 00:03:36,084 And it was a blueprint used to plan and execute his kills, 57 00:03:36,085 --> 00:03:38,392 as if he was describing a hunt. 58 00:03:41,090 --> 00:03:42,830 Because of its detail, 59 00:03:42,831 --> 00:03:45,833 and because of the similarities between what it contained 60 00:03:45,834 --> 00:03:48,270 and what investigators found in the case, 61 00:03:48,271 --> 00:03:51,230 it seemed like a strong corroboration 62 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:53,667 of the entire case against him. 63 00:03:53,668 --> 00:03:56,017 Accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann, 64 00:03:56,018 --> 00:03:59,107 today, he was back inside a Long Island courtroom 65 00:03:59,108 --> 00:04:00,500 to face new murder charges 66 00:04:00,501 --> 00:04:02,893 for the deaths of two additional women, 67 00:04:02,894 --> 00:04:04,982 bringing the total number to six. 68 00:04:04,983 --> 00:04:09,030 Sandra Costilla, whose remains were found in 1993, 69 00:04:09,031 --> 00:04:11,293 and Jessica Taylor, a sex worker 70 00:04:11,294 --> 00:04:14,383 whose body was found back in 2003. 71 00:04:14,384 --> 00:04:17,343 Jessica Taylor's body was dismembered. 72 00:04:17,344 --> 00:04:20,346 She was decapitated. Her arms were removed. 73 00:04:20,347 --> 00:04:23,784 Remember, the Gilgo Four, their bodies were found intact. 74 00:04:23,785 --> 00:04:25,960 So the MO was different. 75 00:04:25,961 --> 00:04:30,269 The other interesting element of the Costilla indictment 76 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:36,623 was that Rex was killing before his marriage to Asa Ellerup, 77 00:04:36,624 --> 00:04:41,150 which again changed the profile, expanded the profile. 78 00:04:47,330 --> 00:04:49,853 On one of Heuermann's digital devices, 79 00:04:49,854 --> 00:04:51,507 there was a copy of his datebook, 80 00:04:51,508 --> 00:04:54,684 his calendar from July 2003. 81 00:04:54,685 --> 00:04:59,298 So now, the task force could cross-reference the dates 82 00:04:59,299 --> 00:05:02,039 from the datebook with the phone records 83 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,304 from the time when Jessica Taylor disappeared. 84 00:05:05,305 --> 00:05:07,654 They see a familiar pattern. 85 00:05:07,655 --> 00:05:12,267 On July 20th, the day before Jessica Taylor disappeared, 86 00:05:12,268 --> 00:05:16,620 Asa and her children went on a one week trip to Vermont. 87 00:05:23,235 --> 00:05:26,455 The only thing I was thinking about while on vacation 88 00:05:26,456 --> 00:05:29,240 is trying to do something fun with my kids. 89 00:05:29,241 --> 00:05:33,027 The reason that he didn't come on vacation with us to Vermont 90 00:05:33,028 --> 00:05:35,857 was that he had to stay home, and he had to work. 91 00:05:38,381 --> 00:05:41,862 That very same day, Rex Heuermann visited a gun club 92 00:05:41,863 --> 00:05:45,561 that was just a 5-minute drive from Mill Road, 93 00:05:45,562 --> 00:05:47,171 which is very close 94 00:05:47,172 --> 00:05:50,349 to where Jessica Taylor's remains were discovered. 95 00:05:50,350 --> 00:05:54,135 On that vacation in Vermont, there was a summer camp, 96 00:05:54,136 --> 00:05:57,399 and I played with other kids, I made friends. 97 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,184 Investigators believe that Rex Heuermann 98 00:06:00,185 --> 00:06:02,448 referred to Mill Road as a DS, 99 00:06:02,449 --> 00:06:06,713 which is acronym for dumpsite in his planning document. 100 00:06:06,714 --> 00:06:09,759 There was pools and stuff, and it was a lot of fun. 101 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,980 So you have to wonder, was Rex Heuermann doing 102 00:06:12,981 --> 00:06:14,938 one last recon of his dump site 103 00:06:14,939 --> 00:06:17,725 the day before Jessica Taylor disappeared? 104 00:06:18,726 --> 00:06:21,031 This year has been 21 years 105 00:06:21,032 --> 00:06:22,468 since she was taken from us. 106 00:06:22,469 --> 00:06:25,296 Longer than the chance that she got to be alive. 107 00:06:25,297 --> 00:06:27,429 I can't express what this day means 108 00:06:27,430 --> 00:06:29,650 after waiting and hoping for answers. 109 00:06:30,955 --> 00:06:32,913 Jessica Taylor was last heard from 110 00:06:32,914 --> 00:06:36,612 on July 21st at 8:41 p.m. 111 00:06:36,613 --> 00:06:38,614 While we're on vacation, 112 00:06:38,615 --> 00:06:40,529 he was always calling multiple times a day. 113 00:06:40,530 --> 00:06:43,619 Rex Heuermann worked in the very same vicinity 114 00:06:43,620 --> 00:06:47,231 where Jessica Taylor was known to street walk. 115 00:06:47,232 --> 00:06:50,278 It's never occurred to me that he's checking to make sure 116 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,194 that we're not coming home early. 117 00:06:54,109 --> 00:06:56,545 Four days later, on July 25th, 118 00:06:56,546 --> 00:06:59,679 a witness sees a dark-colored Chevy pickup truck 119 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,161 backing into the woods in Manorville, Long Island. 120 00:07:04,554 --> 00:07:08,470 And the next day, Jessica Taylor's remains are found. 121 00:07:08,471 --> 00:07:11,995 This is all being spoken about in this document. 122 00:07:11,996 --> 00:07:14,346 My eyes were popping out of my head. 123 00:07:15,565 --> 00:07:19,786 It's very hard to imagine these allegations. 124 00:07:19,787 --> 00:07:22,136 While we were having fun on vacation, 125 00:07:22,137 --> 00:07:26,358 he was home murdering, dismembering women here. 126 00:07:28,186 --> 00:07:31,493 This is like a modern-day horror story. 127 00:07:31,494 --> 00:07:33,060 It just gets bigger and bigger. 128 00:07:33,061 --> 00:07:34,931 We start with four bodies, 129 00:07:34,932 --> 00:07:37,673 a professional white collar architect 130 00:07:37,674 --> 00:07:39,893 living a quiet life in Long Island. 131 00:07:39,894 --> 00:07:41,590 Works in Midtown. 132 00:07:41,591 --> 00:07:44,985 And now we're tying this man to six bodies. 133 00:07:44,986 --> 00:07:49,164 Sex workers. Some of them grossly mutilated. 134 00:07:52,297 --> 00:07:54,386 This is like once in a lifetime. 135 00:08:06,616 --> 00:08:09,052 Thank you everybody for coming. 136 00:08:09,053 --> 00:08:13,317 One year ago today, which is July 13th, 2023, 137 00:08:13,318 --> 00:08:15,232 Asa Ellerup's husband, Rex Heuermann, 138 00:08:15,233 --> 00:08:17,626 left for work in the early morning. 139 00:08:17,627 --> 00:08:20,542 And as we all know, never returned from work. 140 00:08:20,543 --> 00:08:23,327 Since that day, Asa and the children's lives 141 00:08:23,328 --> 00:08:24,981 have been turned upside down. 142 00:08:24,982 --> 00:08:27,636 It's honestly waiting on eggshells every day 143 00:08:27,637 --> 00:08:31,510 because they've been removed from their house twice. 144 00:08:31,511 --> 00:08:34,513 In their minds, is it gonna be a third time? 145 00:08:34,514 --> 00:08:38,081 What I'm here to talk about is how Asa has spent the last year 146 00:08:38,082 --> 00:08:39,779 putting her life back together. 147 00:08:39,780 --> 00:08:44,175 Miss Ellerup has taken each day to try and rebuild her life. 148 00:08:45,655 --> 00:08:49,049 Nobody wants to believe their family member, their dad, 149 00:08:49,050 --> 00:08:51,834 their husband would be capable of these kind of crimes. 150 00:08:51,835 --> 00:08:54,924 Do you plan on staying here? Is this the long term goal 151 00:08:54,925 --> 00:08:56,535 after all of this is over? 152 00:08:56,536 --> 00:08:57,840 The family plans on staying 153 00:08:57,841 --> 00:08:59,494 until the conclusion of the criminal case. 154 00:08:59,495 --> 00:09:01,061 From there, there will be decisions made 155 00:09:01,062 --> 00:09:02,366 depending on the outcome. 156 00:09:02,367 --> 00:09:04,107 This is the one-year anniversary. 157 00:09:04,108 --> 00:09:05,674 Any reflection on that? 158 00:09:05,675 --> 00:09:07,154 Everybody seems to have an opinion on this case, 159 00:09:07,155 --> 00:09:08,851 yet nobody has seen any evidence. 160 00:09:08,852 --> 00:09:11,898 There are protective orders, and all the documents 161 00:09:11,899 --> 00:09:13,726 that have been turned over to defense are sealed. 162 00:09:13,727 --> 00:09:17,381 So nobody, not anyone in the media, or us, 163 00:09:17,382 --> 00:09:19,254 have seen any of the evidence. 164 00:09:20,429 --> 00:09:22,866 Thank you. Appreciate everybody for coming. 165 00:09:28,132 --> 00:09:31,352 The allegation is that, when you married Rex, 166 00:09:31,353 --> 00:09:33,441 he had already committed a homicide. 167 00:09:33,442 --> 00:09:35,008 Had you had any knowledge of that, 168 00:09:35,009 --> 00:09:36,575 you wouldn't have married this man, 169 00:09:36,576 --> 00:09:38,925 and have children with him. Correct? 170 00:09:38,926 --> 00:09:43,582 No, there's no abnormal behavior that I ever actually noticed. 171 00:09:43,583 --> 00:09:46,715 And if there was any knowledge at all, 172 00:09:46,716 --> 00:09:51,678 some unusual behavior in that man, 173 00:09:52,766 --> 00:09:54,505 I would have walked out the door. 174 00:09:54,506 --> 00:09:56,682 You wouldn't have brought your young son... No. 175 00:09:56,683 --> 00:09:59,033 ...to live in an environment like that. No. 176 00:10:01,209 --> 00:10:03,820 Let's take a walk downstairs. 177 00:10:04,995 --> 00:10:08,171 This is the main room to the basement. 178 00:10:08,172 --> 00:10:10,696 I know you feel the police tore up your house, 179 00:10:10,697 --> 00:10:12,698 so I would like to go in detail, 180 00:10:12,699 --> 00:10:15,265 what happened with the execution of the last search warrant? 181 00:10:15,266 --> 00:10:17,485 And maybe it will help you understand 182 00:10:17,486 --> 00:10:20,619 why they came back a second time. 183 00:10:20,620 --> 00:10:22,838 Their theory in the bail application 184 00:10:22,839 --> 00:10:25,014 is that this was the "staging room" 185 00:10:25,015 --> 00:10:29,018 where people were murdered and or their bodies mutilated. 186 00:10:43,164 --> 00:10:44,818 Everybody down. 187 00:10:47,037 --> 00:10:51,868 Several panels were taken out. Ceiling tiles were removed. 188 00:10:53,217 --> 00:10:58,439 And then all of this rafter was all taken out also. 189 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,485 When they go through Rex's devices, 190 00:11:01,486 --> 00:11:05,533 they find a huge trove of really sick pornography 191 00:11:05,534 --> 00:11:10,407 about sexualizing decapitated bodies, mutilation. 192 00:11:10,408 --> 00:11:14,368 And more significant, it does seem to tie to the condition 193 00:11:14,369 --> 00:11:17,981 of Jessica Taylor's body when it was found. 194 00:11:19,548 --> 00:11:23,159 Jessica Taylor was originally from Poughkeepsie, New York, 195 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,860 and she came to New York City early, at 17, 196 00:11:27,861 --> 00:11:29,689 under the sway of a pimp. 197 00:11:30,907 --> 00:11:33,343 Jessica Taylor was a very young girl 198 00:11:33,344 --> 00:11:34,954 when she was murdered. 199 00:11:34,955 --> 00:11:36,782 She was 20 years old. 200 00:11:36,783 --> 00:11:39,959 She had been in sex work only a very short time. 201 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,178 She was a lonely, gentle girl 202 00:11:42,179 --> 00:11:45,094 who had a troubled life growing up, 203 00:11:45,095 --> 00:11:47,444 but loyal to her family. 204 00:11:47,445 --> 00:11:49,359 One of the things that tells you 205 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,448 some insight to her true character 206 00:11:51,449 --> 00:11:57,237 was that she carried with her in her purse a Bible. 207 00:11:57,238 --> 00:11:58,499 That's who she really was. 208 00:11:58,500 --> 00:12:01,328 Jess was somebody that I looked up to. 209 00:12:01,329 --> 00:12:02,546 She was a force, 210 00:12:02,547 --> 00:12:04,766 one of the strongest women that I know 211 00:12:04,767 --> 00:12:06,115 with a heart of gold. 212 00:12:06,116 --> 00:12:09,511 She was, and still is, loved immeasurably. 213 00:12:11,295 --> 00:12:15,124 She had fallen under the control of a pimp named Remy. 214 00:12:15,125 --> 00:12:18,693 She had a tattoo of his name, Remy's angel. 215 00:12:18,694 --> 00:12:22,350 Remy was the nickname for Khalil White, her pimp. 216 00:12:23,743 --> 00:12:25,526 Her tattoo had been mutilated 217 00:12:25,527 --> 00:12:27,571 so that it couldn't be identified. 218 00:12:27,572 --> 00:12:30,313 And right there in Rex's planning document, 219 00:12:30,314 --> 00:12:31,793 he prioritizes getting rid 220 00:12:31,794 --> 00:12:35,144 of visible marks, including tattoos. 221 00:12:35,145 --> 00:12:37,886 That light bulb immediately goes off in your head, 222 00:12:37,887 --> 00:12:41,107 that he carried out his plan. 223 00:12:41,108 --> 00:12:43,631 So in the basement, they were looking for DNA. 224 00:12:43,632 --> 00:12:46,895 The whole speculation is he's butchering these people 225 00:12:46,896 --> 00:12:48,897 in his own basement. 226 00:12:48,898 --> 00:12:51,813 On those hard drives found in the house, 227 00:12:51,814 --> 00:12:53,597 there was a planning document. 228 00:12:53,598 --> 00:12:57,079 and the planning document laid out steps that were taken, 229 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:58,298 allegedly by Rex 230 00:12:58,299 --> 00:12:59,908 in prepping for victims, 231 00:12:59,909 --> 00:13:02,258 and then how these homicides were committed 232 00:13:02,259 --> 00:13:05,174 and what he was doing with them. 233 00:13:05,175 --> 00:13:07,394 In the "Things to Remember" section, 234 00:13:07,395 --> 00:13:10,223 "To utilize pushpins to hang drop cloths 235 00:13:10,224 --> 00:13:12,486 from the ceiling, not tape." 236 00:13:12,487 --> 00:13:15,968 Tape would pick up hairs. The pushpins would not. 237 00:13:15,969 --> 00:13:18,318 The theory is, in their bail application 238 00:13:18,319 --> 00:13:22,278 that push pins, similar to this push pin like this, 239 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:26,675 was used to hold up tarps... 240 00:13:29,765 --> 00:13:32,549 ...to prevent splash of blood, DNA, 241 00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:34,290 or any kind of biological evidence. 242 00:13:34,291 --> 00:13:36,292 That's why they took out ceiling tiles. 243 00:13:36,293 --> 00:13:37,728 They want to forensically test 244 00:13:37,729 --> 00:13:39,600 to see if there's any kind of DNA. 245 00:13:39,601 --> 00:13:42,124 At this point, we don't know if they found any. 246 00:13:42,125 --> 00:13:44,735 We won't know until the trial. 247 00:13:44,736 --> 00:13:47,216 Concerns regarding sound travel 248 00:13:47,217 --> 00:13:49,262 indicate that referenced incidents 249 00:13:49,263 --> 00:13:50,829 would have occurred indoors 250 00:13:50,830 --> 00:13:53,614 and likely inside of the target residence, 251 00:13:53,615 --> 00:13:55,442 which is a controlled environment 252 00:13:55,443 --> 00:13:57,313 where Heuermann would have access 253 00:13:57,314 --> 00:13:59,968 to said tools and supplies. 254 00:13:59,969 --> 00:14:04,016 He's trying to prepare so much that he's worried about sound. 255 00:14:04,017 --> 00:14:07,497 Getting in or out from where the killing takes place. 256 00:14:07,498 --> 00:14:09,760 He talks about birds outside. 257 00:14:09,761 --> 00:14:11,762 He doesn't want the sound to escape 258 00:14:11,763 --> 00:14:14,810 from the lair of the killer. 259 00:14:17,291 --> 00:14:20,554 The prep section has five entries set up stage. 260 00:14:20,555 --> 00:14:23,731 Holding area, build table, crossbar, and hardpoint. 261 00:14:23,732 --> 00:14:25,646 The crossbar is placed under the table 262 00:14:25,647 --> 00:14:27,257 to provide structural support. 263 00:14:29,869 --> 00:14:32,087 "The hard point in the ceiling 264 00:14:32,088 --> 00:14:34,307 that supports the weight of an individual 265 00:14:34,308 --> 00:14:36,963 being suspended off of the ground." 266 00:14:39,008 --> 00:14:41,444 When I was hearing about hard points, 267 00:14:41,445 --> 00:14:46,319 that deals with sexual bondage and suspension from a ceiling. 268 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,149 Did he suspend these poor women from the ceiling 269 00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:52,891 for hours on end, possibly days on end? 270 00:14:52,892 --> 00:14:54,588 What did he do to them? 271 00:14:54,589 --> 00:14:57,939 How long did they have to go through this torture 272 00:14:57,940 --> 00:14:59,463 before they were killed? 273 00:15:00,682 --> 00:15:02,770 They believe Rex committed these homicides 274 00:15:02,771 --> 00:15:04,424 in the room we're standing in right now. 275 00:15:04,425 --> 00:15:07,296 I know. Heh. I'm sorry. 276 00:15:07,297 --> 00:15:11,779 That planning document is so Dexter-style. 277 00:15:11,780 --> 00:15:13,389 It's absolutely absurd. 278 00:15:13,390 --> 00:15:15,914 The document says it was created locally, 279 00:15:15,915 --> 00:15:18,394 which I've explained to you, means on the keyboard 280 00:15:18,395 --> 00:15:20,309 that was attached to that device 281 00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:22,790 could not have been imported, transferred in by an e-mail, 282 00:15:22,791 --> 00:15:24,487 or any kind of, you know, external person. 283 00:15:24,488 --> 00:15:27,490 See if they really did happen down here, 284 00:15:27,491 --> 00:15:30,319 he really must have been like Superman 285 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,453 for us not to have noticed anything ever. 286 00:15:33,454 --> 00:15:36,109 This used to be like his bedroom growing up. 287 00:15:38,372 --> 00:15:41,069 A lot of his, like, not only just gun stuff, 288 00:15:41,070 --> 00:15:43,594 but a lot of his childhood stuff, family heirlooms, 289 00:15:44,508 --> 00:15:45,813 were in this room. 290 00:15:45,814 --> 00:15:48,816 So for him to do that in this room, 291 00:15:48,817 --> 00:15:51,863 a little unrealistic, but I guess not impossible. 292 00:15:53,126 --> 00:15:56,912 No, sorry. You wanna know how I feel? 293 00:15:57,957 --> 00:16:01,611 They are picking, picking, picking, 294 00:16:01,612 --> 00:16:05,354 making assumptions for their narrative. 295 00:16:05,355 --> 00:16:10,055 I know that. I've known Rex since I was 18 years old. 296 00:16:10,056 --> 00:16:14,885 I know what this room was originally used for. 297 00:16:14,886 --> 00:16:16,323 And... 298 00:16:17,454 --> 00:16:18,934 they're just allegations. 299 00:16:46,614 --> 00:16:49,703 He's never said to me, "Don't-don't use my computer." 300 00:16:49,704 --> 00:16:53,316 He's never said, "No, I'm not gonna give you the password." 301 00:16:55,144 --> 00:16:58,365 There is nothing off limits from Rex Heuerman. 302 00:17:05,937 --> 00:17:10,029 I'm not picking a side just yet until I see the evidence. 303 00:17:22,128 --> 00:17:23,606 The part of... 304 00:17:23,607 --> 00:17:25,956 Okay, so, yeah, me standing my ground 305 00:17:25,957 --> 00:17:28,611 and wanting to see the evidence first is, 306 00:17:28,612 --> 00:17:32,790 in a way, protecting myself, but it's protecting me. 307 00:17:33,661 --> 00:17:35,531 It keeps my head on straight 308 00:17:35,532 --> 00:17:38,186 with everything everybody is saying. 309 00:17:38,187 --> 00:17:40,580 One person saying this, one person saying that, 310 00:17:40,581 --> 00:17:42,277 prosecutors saying this. 311 00:17:42,278 --> 00:17:45,541 But my memory says this. 312 00:17:45,542 --> 00:17:48,109 So, yeah. The fact that I'm way-- 313 00:17:48,110 --> 00:17:50,155 I'm sticking, I'm standing my ground 314 00:17:50,156 --> 00:17:51,808 and I need to see the evidence 315 00:17:51,809 --> 00:17:56,945 is keeping my head on straight from all this. 316 00:18:04,779 --> 00:18:08,042 Maybe even with all this growing evidence against him, 317 00:18:08,043 --> 00:18:10,697 maybe there is some loyalty still to my dad, 318 00:18:10,698 --> 00:18:12,438 and to my mom too, like... 319 00:18:12,439 --> 00:18:15,397 Listen. Whether the world likes it or not, 320 00:18:15,398 --> 00:18:19,445 whether I like it or not, he's my dad. 321 00:18:19,446 --> 00:18:22,144 That's not-- And they can't take that away from me. 322 00:18:23,363 --> 00:18:25,973 I don't know what acceptance looks like. 323 00:18:25,974 --> 00:18:28,193 Acceptance to me is just: 324 00:18:28,194 --> 00:18:31,414 "Fuck it, I have to move on." 325 00:18:41,946 --> 00:18:44,122 I think, you know, if he was guilty, 326 00:18:44,123 --> 00:18:48,082 it's gonna start to become, like, a love-hate relationship. 327 00:18:48,083 --> 00:18:51,999 This is my dad, and I love him as my dad. 328 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,698 The hate is it's other side of him that came out. 329 00:18:55,699 --> 00:18:57,700 And going forward, I'm not gonna 330 00:18:57,701 --> 00:18:59,049 interact with him the same way. 331 00:18:59,050 --> 00:19:02,227 I would have if this never happened. 332 00:19:02,228 --> 00:19:04,968 Both the feelings love and hate can coexist. 333 00:19:16,372 --> 00:19:19,374 Once Rex Heuermann was charged with the murders 334 00:19:19,375 --> 00:19:21,724 of Jessica Taylor and Sandra Costilla, 335 00:19:21,725 --> 00:19:25,772 the fifth and sixth murder charges in June of 2024, 336 00:19:25,773 --> 00:19:29,080 you just... are sick to your stomach. 337 00:19:30,691 --> 00:19:33,954 Because it means that he could be responsible for more murders, 338 00:19:33,955 --> 00:19:36,435 going back to at least 1993. 339 00:19:36,436 --> 00:19:39,699 Rex Heuermann is charged with killing six of them. 340 00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:41,483 But we're talking 10 or 11 bodies 341 00:19:41,484 --> 00:19:43,137 that were out there on Gilgo Beach. 342 00:19:43,138 --> 00:19:46,009 So far, the remains of 11 individuals 343 00:19:46,010 --> 00:19:47,968 were discovered in that region. 344 00:19:47,969 --> 00:19:51,537 Suddenly, there's this whole new realm 345 00:19:51,538 --> 00:19:54,061 of possibilities that open up. 346 00:19:54,062 --> 00:19:58,065 Asian Doe was a biological male dressed as a woman, 347 00:19:58,066 --> 00:20:00,110 found very close to the Gilgo Four. 348 00:20:00,111 --> 00:20:03,810 Described as an Asian male in his late teens or early 20s 349 00:20:03,811 --> 00:20:05,203 when he was murdered. 350 00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:07,292 The victim of obvious trauma, 351 00:20:07,293 --> 00:20:09,424 this body too, has no ID. 352 00:20:09,425 --> 00:20:12,340 He was intact like the Gilgo Four. 353 00:20:12,341 --> 00:20:15,082 His skull, though, had been smashed. 354 00:20:15,083 --> 00:20:17,433 So it was a brutal murder. 355 00:20:19,261 --> 00:20:22,351 One of Rex's searches was Asian male twink. 356 00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:26,049 The fact that the DA included that search 357 00:20:26,050 --> 00:20:27,877 in the bail documents 358 00:20:27,878 --> 00:20:30,403 suggests that there is a connection there as well. 359 00:20:31,578 --> 00:20:34,232 Once you start looking at it 360 00:20:34,233 --> 00:20:37,452 through the lens of everything's changed, 361 00:20:37,453 --> 00:20:40,934 then it's just a Pandora's box of locations. 362 00:20:40,935 --> 00:20:43,415 And there's really no telling where it could go. 363 00:20:43,416 --> 00:20:46,461 More clues now on the Gilgo Beach murders. 364 00:20:46,462 --> 00:20:47,854 Investigations surrounding 365 00:20:47,855 --> 00:20:49,899 suspected serial killer Rex Heuermann 366 00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:52,337 are expanding far beyond the Gilgo Beach area. 367 00:20:52,338 --> 00:20:55,775 We've learned a lot about the defendant and his movements. 368 00:20:55,776 --> 00:20:57,603 We're willing and able to share that 369 00:20:57,604 --> 00:20:59,866 with law enforcement partners in other jurisdictions. 370 00:20:59,867 --> 00:21:03,173 This is a multi-jurisdictional effort right now 371 00:21:03,174 --> 00:21:06,089 in South Carolina, Atlantic City, Las Vegas, 372 00:21:06,090 --> 00:21:08,963 and even some across the eastern seaboard. 373 00:21:10,965 --> 00:21:15,664 As the investigation continues to unfold with DNA 374 00:21:15,665 --> 00:21:18,363 we will be able to at least identify 375 00:21:18,364 --> 00:21:21,323 Rex Heuermann to other potential victims. 376 00:21:23,543 --> 00:21:25,935 So now, police in all those other cities 377 00:21:25,936 --> 00:21:26,980 try to connect the dots. 378 00:21:26,981 --> 00:21:28,634 Is there a DNA match to Rex 379 00:21:28,635 --> 00:21:31,201 with other unsolved murder cases? 380 00:21:31,202 --> 00:21:33,073 Investigators on Long Island 381 00:21:33,074 --> 00:21:36,294 are coordinating with police in Atlantic City, New Jersey, 382 00:21:36,295 --> 00:21:38,600 to decide if Rex Heuermann is connected 383 00:21:38,601 --> 00:21:41,777 to a series of murders of women there. 384 00:21:41,778 --> 00:21:45,825 In 2006, there were four sex workers in Atlantic City. 385 00:21:45,826 --> 00:21:49,132 Rex Heuermann used to make trips to Atlantic City, 386 00:21:49,133 --> 00:21:50,830 Also Valerie Mack, 387 00:21:50,831 --> 00:21:54,094 she was last seen 17 miles from Atlantic City 388 00:21:54,095 --> 00:21:56,314 in Port Republic, New Jersey. 389 00:21:56,315 --> 00:21:59,273 The search for evidence has now expanded. 390 00:21:59,274 --> 00:22:02,624 Then all of a sudden, bam! Law enforcement finds his car. 391 00:22:02,625 --> 00:22:05,235 This truck towed from Chester County, 392 00:22:05,236 --> 00:22:06,976 connected to the investigation 393 00:22:06,977 --> 00:22:11,677 of a suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer, Rex Heuermann. 394 00:22:11,678 --> 00:22:14,332 The truck seized is a Chevy Avalanche. 395 00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:17,030 The first generation Chevy Avalanche that's 396 00:22:17,031 --> 00:22:19,902 at the heart of identifying Rex Heuerman as a suspect, 397 00:22:19,903 --> 00:22:22,035 that was found in South Carolina, 398 00:22:22,036 --> 00:22:24,037 where Rex Heuerman has property, 399 00:22:24,038 --> 00:22:25,734 and his brother has property. 400 00:22:25,735 --> 00:22:27,867 Also in South Carolina, 401 00:22:27,868 --> 00:22:29,869 investigators were curious about 402 00:22:29,870 --> 00:22:32,175 a missing teenager, Aaliyah Bell, 403 00:22:32,176 --> 00:22:36,354 and also a woman, Julia Ann Bean, who is 36. 404 00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:39,748 Perhaps, Heuermann was tied to their disappearances. 405 00:22:39,749 --> 00:22:42,838 Eighteen year-old Aaliyah Bell went missing back in 2014. 406 00:22:42,839 --> 00:22:44,797 Now, officers say her disappearance 407 00:22:44,798 --> 00:22:46,276 could possibly be correlated. 408 00:22:46,277 --> 00:22:48,496 Bell disappeared around 20 miles 409 00:22:48,497 --> 00:22:51,064 from property owned by Heuermann. 410 00:22:51,065 --> 00:22:52,935 In Julia Ann Bean's case, 411 00:22:52,936 --> 00:22:55,895 apparently, her daughter saw a picture of Rex Heuermann 412 00:22:55,896 --> 00:22:58,724 and said, "That's the guy that I last saw with my mother." 413 00:22:58,725 --> 00:23:00,639 She recognized him right away. 414 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,684 She said that was the last person 415 00:23:02,685 --> 00:23:04,599 she ever saw with her mom. 416 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,516 There's no doubt that she was more than likely escorting. 417 00:23:08,517 --> 00:23:11,040 How many other people potentially were killed 418 00:23:11,041 --> 00:23:12,607 by Rex Heuermann? 419 00:23:12,608 --> 00:23:15,393 They are looking at hundreds of unsolved cases now. 420 00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:19,136 They have a list. It's a big list. 421 00:23:25,055 --> 00:23:28,188 We are following breaking news out of Long Island, New York. 422 00:23:28,189 --> 00:23:30,103 We begin this hour with breaking news. 423 00:23:30,104 --> 00:23:31,539 Now, to a major development 424 00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:33,149 in the Gilgo Beach murder case... 425 00:23:33,150 --> 00:23:36,109 Accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann 426 00:23:36,110 --> 00:23:38,590 has now been charged with a seventh murder. 427 00:23:38,591 --> 00:23:42,637 For years, she was known only as Jane Doe number six. 428 00:23:42,638 --> 00:23:44,160 But now, we know her name. 429 00:23:44,161 --> 00:23:46,162 And prosecutors say they know who killed her. 430 00:23:46,163 --> 00:23:49,862 Rex Heuernann was charged today with killing Valerie Mack 431 00:23:49,863 --> 00:23:51,908 24 years ago. 432 00:23:54,607 --> 00:23:58,827 Valerie Mack was originally from new Jersey. 433 00:23:58,828 --> 00:24:01,917 A very, very troubled childhood. 434 00:24:01,918 --> 00:24:05,312 In her infancy, she was put up for adoption. 435 00:24:05,313 --> 00:24:08,489 She was eventually adopted by a family, 436 00:24:08,490 --> 00:24:10,752 and while she was still in middle school, 437 00:24:10,753 --> 00:24:12,667 both parents passed away. 438 00:24:12,668 --> 00:24:16,889 So she had lost two sets of mother and father 439 00:24:16,890 --> 00:24:20,240 at an age that's sort of unfathomable. 440 00:24:20,241 --> 00:24:23,243 She would have a child in her teens, 441 00:24:23,244 --> 00:24:28,509 and quickly fell in the grip of addiction and escorting. 442 00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:31,512 Until she was eventually last seen 443 00:24:31,513 --> 00:24:33,950 in the year 2000, in Manhattan. 444 00:24:34,995 --> 00:24:38,476 Now, Valerie Mack is five foot tall. 445 00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:41,217 She fits the description of the women that he preferred, 446 00:24:41,218 --> 00:24:43,656 and she's a sex worker. 447 00:24:44,787 --> 00:24:46,962 We're here today because we wish to support 448 00:24:46,963 --> 00:24:50,489 the family members of victim, Valerie Mack. 449 00:24:51,620 --> 00:24:54,361 My clients have also lost a loved one 450 00:24:54,362 --> 00:24:56,755 as a result of a homicide. 451 00:24:56,756 --> 00:25:01,586 And as a result, many of them have experienced despair, 452 00:25:01,587 --> 00:25:07,505 depression, anger, trauma, and grief 453 00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:11,421 that results from such a tragic loss. 454 00:25:11,422 --> 00:25:14,512 So, once again, this expanded the scope of things, 455 00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:16,775 because now this is the second person 456 00:25:16,776 --> 00:25:19,429 whose remains were partial at Gilgo, 457 00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:21,519 and also had a connection to Manorville, 458 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,392 where parts of Jessica Taylor's remains were found. 459 00:25:25,393 --> 00:25:30,789 Even now, decades later, in 2024, 460 00:25:30,790 --> 00:25:36,185 let's be clear, none of the victims deserve to die. 461 00:25:36,186 --> 00:25:39,101 They were all innocent, 462 00:25:39,102 --> 00:25:41,756 and they were just trying to earn some funds 463 00:25:41,757 --> 00:25:44,542 to support themselves and their families. 464 00:25:44,543 --> 00:25:48,242 They were, and they are loved. 465 00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:55,204 He's really upped the ante, 466 00:25:55,205 --> 00:25:57,990 as far as serial killers go, 467 00:25:57,991 --> 00:25:59,600 and he really does appear to be 468 00:25:59,601 --> 00:26:02,560 this new breed of super predator. 469 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:05,084 His ability to manipulate his family. 470 00:26:05,085 --> 00:26:08,740 His ability to compartmentalize his life 471 00:26:08,741 --> 00:26:12,134 in a way where he could function as a professional, 472 00:26:12,135 --> 00:26:13,571 function as a father, 473 00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:17,531 engage in relatively normal social interactions. 474 00:26:17,532 --> 00:26:19,751 Going on dates with sex workers, 475 00:26:19,752 --> 00:26:22,580 and having conversations about mundane things. 476 00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:24,364 When you look at what he was doing 477 00:26:24,365 --> 00:26:26,496 with all of his digital devices, 478 00:26:26,497 --> 00:26:30,326 sort of the web he weaved with his fake e-mail addresses, 479 00:26:30,327 --> 00:26:32,590 with his identities, with his burner phones. 480 00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:36,419 I mean, you've seen nothing like him. 481 00:26:36,420 --> 00:26:39,466 You wanna compare Rex Heuermann against the Ted Bundys, 482 00:26:39,467 --> 00:26:40,989 against the BTK's. 483 00:26:40,990 --> 00:26:44,036 And Rex really does just stand out against the rest. 484 00:26:46,343 --> 00:26:49,084 One of history's most prolific serial killers, 485 00:26:49,085 --> 00:26:51,826 Dennis Rader, known as BTK. 486 00:26:51,827 --> 00:26:53,480 Rader called himself BTK 487 00:26:53,481 --> 00:26:56,526 because he bound, tortured and killed 10 people. 488 00:26:56,527 --> 00:27:00,443 Rader, now weighing in on the Long Island serial killer case 489 00:27:00,444 --> 00:27:02,402 from behind bars. 490 00:27:02,403 --> 00:27:04,099 The man who bound, tortured 491 00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:06,058 and killed ten people in Kansas, 492 00:27:06,059 --> 00:27:08,495 writing in a letter to a national media outlet 493 00:27:08,496 --> 00:27:11,630 that Rex Heuermann is his clone. 494 00:27:13,457 --> 00:27:19,114 So in July of '23, immediately, my thoughts went to the family. 495 00:27:19,115 --> 00:27:21,900 I heard he had a wife and two kids, 496 00:27:21,901 --> 00:27:25,817 and they were similar ages to when my brother and I were, 497 00:27:25,818 --> 00:27:27,820 when my father was arrested in '05. 498 00:27:29,299 --> 00:27:33,694 I'm Kerri Rawson. I'm the daughter of Dennis Rader, 499 00:27:33,695 --> 00:27:36,654 better known as the BTK serial killer. 500 00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:40,092 I know what it's like to live with a psychopath. 501 00:27:40,093 --> 00:27:42,660 So maybe I can actually lend some support 502 00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:43,835 or help or speak up. 503 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:54,584 On the day that Rex was arrested... 504 00:27:54,585 --> 00:27:58,632 A suspect is in custody in the so-called Gilgo Beach murders. 505 00:27:58,633 --> 00:28:00,678 My PTSD hit right away 506 00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:03,071 because of what my family had gone through. 507 00:28:03,072 --> 00:28:05,421 I was concerned especially when I heard he had a family. 508 00:28:05,422 --> 00:28:10,644 Rex Heuermann. A husband, a father, an architect. 509 00:28:10,645 --> 00:28:13,647 Rex was 59 when he was arrested. My dad was 59. 510 00:28:13,648 --> 00:28:16,302 They both had had long marriages. 511 00:28:16,303 --> 00:28:19,218 His daughter was 26, the same age I was 512 00:28:19,219 --> 00:28:21,089 when my father was arrested. 513 00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:24,137 My heart just like... broke in two. 514 00:28:25,355 --> 00:28:28,096 I was shocked by the similarities. 515 00:28:28,097 --> 00:28:31,665 Rader writes, quote: "I was arrested age 59, 516 00:28:31,666 --> 00:28:35,277 married, two kids, longtime serial killer, 517 00:28:35,278 --> 00:28:37,236 lives in a neighborhood undetected. 518 00:28:37,237 --> 00:28:41,457 DNA and electronics, his downfall. Much like me." 519 00:28:43,504 --> 00:28:45,592 My father lived a double life. 520 00:28:45,593 --> 00:28:48,334 He was hiding in plain sight for 31 years. 521 00:28:48,335 --> 00:28:51,641 Heuermann who's been hiding in plain sight in a modest home 522 00:28:51,642 --> 00:28:53,600 in Nassau County on Long Island. 523 00:28:53,601 --> 00:28:56,124 I know what it's like to live with a psychopath. 524 00:28:56,125 --> 00:28:59,258 So maybe I can actually lend some support 525 00:28:59,259 --> 00:29:00,782 or help or speak up. 526 00:29:07,658 --> 00:29:09,138 Hello. 527 00:29:12,228 --> 00:29:14,229 I'm Kerri. Nice to meet you. Good. 528 00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:15,622 How are you? Okay. 529 00:29:15,623 --> 00:29:17,885 Want something hot to drink? Hot coffee? 530 00:29:17,886 --> 00:29:19,235 Yeah, I'll take some coffee. 531 00:29:21,281 --> 00:29:23,021 Hi. Nice to meet you. 532 00:29:23,022 --> 00:29:24,326 Nice to meet you. 533 00:29:24,327 --> 00:29:27,503 I saw the pictures that came out. 534 00:29:27,504 --> 00:29:30,680 Like I was horrified what they had done to your house 535 00:29:30,681 --> 00:29:33,248 'cause I was following things closely 536 00:29:33,249 --> 00:29:34,684 as soon as it was announced 537 00:29:34,685 --> 00:29:37,557 because of what my family had been through. 538 00:29:37,558 --> 00:29:40,778 In my case, there was one interview with the FBI, 539 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:43,389 and then they left my family. They didn't help us. 540 00:29:43,390 --> 00:29:44,956 They didn't get us victim support. 541 00:29:44,957 --> 00:29:48,873 We had no trauma support. Nothing. 542 00:29:48,874 --> 00:29:51,440 She screamed and I jumped on the bed 543 00:29:51,441 --> 00:29:53,052 and strangled her manually. 544 00:29:54,836 --> 00:29:56,664 They just left us. 545 00:29:57,883 --> 00:29:59,840 And you're looking at Asa's family, 546 00:29:59,841 --> 00:30:02,800 and, I mean, they came in, they completely trashed their home. 547 00:30:02,801 --> 00:30:04,279 And I understand that they needed 548 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,803 to come in and get evidence, 549 00:30:05,804 --> 00:30:08,153 but they should have sent a team in to fix it 550 00:30:08,154 --> 00:30:11,243 because it traumatized the family. 551 00:30:11,244 --> 00:30:13,854 When you're talking about a father, 552 00:30:13,855 --> 00:30:17,249 their actions get placed on the family. 553 00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:19,555 The public and the society are putting blame 554 00:30:19,556 --> 00:30:21,470 back on the children. 555 00:30:21,471 --> 00:30:24,560 I wasn't alive for seven of the ten of my father's murders, 556 00:30:24,561 --> 00:30:28,738 and I was, at the most, 12 years old for the last. 557 00:30:28,739 --> 00:30:32,612 Why are you, as a society, putting that back on me? 558 00:30:32,613 --> 00:30:35,310 Why are you doing this to Rex's kids? 559 00:30:35,311 --> 00:30:38,271 They had nothing to do with any of this. 560 00:30:41,361 --> 00:30:44,580 The FBI lady, she tells me that my husband 561 00:30:44,581 --> 00:30:46,844 was soliciting sex from a sex worker 562 00:30:46,845 --> 00:30:48,628 two days before Thanksgiving. 563 00:30:48,629 --> 00:30:50,456 I says, "No." I says: 564 00:30:50,457 --> 00:30:54,025 "He was not doing that on that day." Right. 565 00:30:54,026 --> 00:30:58,420 I'm seeing that Asa's stuck in that loop of going... 566 00:30:58,421 --> 00:30:59,944 He was here on this date, 567 00:30:59,945 --> 00:31:02,642 and he was gone this day, and he did this. 568 00:31:02,643 --> 00:31:05,688 And I understand what that's like, that fog of not knowing, 569 00:31:05,689 --> 00:31:07,603 and questioning everything. 570 00:31:07,604 --> 00:31:10,171 Then she says to me that he was 571 00:31:10,172 --> 00:31:14,219 dumping a body on Gilgo beach the night before he called me. 572 00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:17,222 And then I'm sitting here saying, "No!" 573 00:31:17,223 --> 00:31:19,180 And I'm saying to myself: 574 00:31:19,181 --> 00:31:21,835 "Okay, what was my husband doing, 575 00:31:21,836 --> 00:31:23,924 doing during that time period?" 576 00:31:23,925 --> 00:31:27,494 And he was... he was fixing up the bathroom. 577 00:31:33,674 --> 00:31:36,632 I have been asked a million times, 578 00:31:36,633 --> 00:31:38,591 how did you not know? 579 00:31:38,592 --> 00:31:42,247 And I still get, "Your mom must have known. 580 00:31:42,248 --> 00:31:45,554 She must have been culpable. She must have been involved." 581 00:31:45,555 --> 00:31:48,557 So the question of how did you not know, 582 00:31:48,558 --> 00:31:50,342 especially for the adult, 583 00:31:50,343 --> 00:31:52,258 it never goes away. 584 00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:55,390 I call it the peanut gallery effect. 585 00:31:55,391 --> 00:32:00,743 Like the public asking, "How did the wife not know?" 586 00:32:00,744 --> 00:32:04,791 I understand having reasonable questions. 587 00:32:04,792 --> 00:32:09,362 Is she in denial? Is she lying? Is she disassociated? 588 00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:12,407 The thing is, when you're sitting 589 00:32:12,408 --> 00:32:14,366 in the cheap seats with the popcorn, 590 00:32:14,367 --> 00:32:16,934 you're in hindsight land, that's what I call Hindsight land. 591 00:32:16,935 --> 00:32:19,893 You've got all the information, or most of the information, 592 00:32:19,894 --> 00:32:21,677 and you can put it together. 593 00:32:21,678 --> 00:32:26,988 You're not sitting in everyday with a normal man, right? 594 00:32:28,555 --> 00:32:31,818 I would have never in a million years thought my father had. 595 00:32:31,819 --> 00:32:33,254 I even, after all the murders, 596 00:32:33,255 --> 00:32:35,387 I was like, "Whoa, what is this?" 597 00:32:35,388 --> 00:32:37,955 So you're not even in that mental state 598 00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:40,958 of even thinking of-of him in that way. 599 00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:43,699 And then you're finding out, like, how perverse he could be, 600 00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:45,701 and then he's doing that to people. 601 00:32:45,702 --> 00:32:47,312 It just doesn't calculate. 602 00:32:51,317 --> 00:32:54,014 The lawyer representing Rex Heuermann's wife 603 00:32:54,015 --> 00:32:58,192 says the family was, "Completely blindsided." 604 00:32:58,193 --> 00:33:01,891 Even if they did know a little thing here or there, 605 00:33:01,892 --> 00:33:04,329 you have to remember, they're victims. 606 00:33:04,330 --> 00:33:06,374 Her and her children are also victims. 607 00:33:06,375 --> 00:33:09,030 Their lives have been destroyed. 608 00:33:10,858 --> 00:33:14,426 Now, knowing what we know... 609 00:33:14,427 --> 00:33:17,516 it's hard to feel sorry for Asa. 610 00:33:17,517 --> 00:33:19,605 I do see her as a victim, 611 00:33:19,606 --> 00:33:22,564 but I see her as a victim of manipulation. 612 00:33:22,565 --> 00:33:24,436 I see her as being duped. 613 00:33:24,437 --> 00:33:26,481 I see her as a victim of trauma. 614 00:33:26,482 --> 00:33:28,701 And I don't place her 615 00:33:28,702 --> 00:33:31,704 in the same camp as the other victims. 616 00:33:31,705 --> 00:33:34,273 Now, that's assuming she knew nothing at all. 617 00:33:38,494 --> 00:33:40,669 You don't understand, 618 00:33:40,670 --> 00:33:43,716 in a case like my family and probably in Rex's family, 619 00:33:43,717 --> 00:33:46,980 how much control is going on by the perpetrator. 620 00:33:46,981 --> 00:33:51,071 How much they're controlling, and manipulating, and lying. 621 00:33:51,072 --> 00:33:53,595 My father's a pathological liar. 622 00:33:53,596 --> 00:33:57,686 He's the best liar I know. He lies like he breathes. 623 00:33:57,687 --> 00:34:00,037 If we reach into our bag of empathy, 624 00:34:00,038 --> 00:34:01,603 we have to understand that 625 00:34:01,604 --> 00:34:05,520 Asa and her children had nothing to do with this. 626 00:34:05,521 --> 00:34:06,956 They claim, and I believe them, 627 00:34:06,957 --> 00:34:09,350 that they had no idea what Rex was doing. 628 00:34:09,351 --> 00:34:11,961 And a lot of people want to blame Asa Ellerup 629 00:34:11,962 --> 00:34:13,354 or blame her kids. 630 00:34:13,355 --> 00:34:16,054 Like, we don't know how she was treated. 631 00:34:17,446 --> 00:34:19,708 Rex Heuermann was allegedly killing 632 00:34:19,709 --> 00:34:21,971 before he married Asa Ellerup. 633 00:34:21,972 --> 00:34:25,018 Maybe he handpicked somebody 634 00:34:25,019 --> 00:34:29,067 who he could manipulate, possibly control. 635 00:34:30,459 --> 00:34:32,156 Did Rex prey on her? 636 00:34:32,157 --> 00:34:34,984 Picking somebody that's a little more traditional, 637 00:34:34,985 --> 00:34:37,465 a little more submissive, or trusting, 638 00:34:37,466 --> 00:34:42,557 or needing financial stability and protection, and care. 639 00:34:42,558 --> 00:34:46,735 Rex was the kind of person that you could call 640 00:34:46,736 --> 00:34:49,173 even if you just wanted to talk. 641 00:34:49,174 --> 00:34:50,392 And that's it. 642 00:34:51,219 --> 00:34:52,916 We were friends. 643 00:34:54,135 --> 00:34:55,745 Everybody needs a friend. 644 00:34:57,617 --> 00:35:01,098 And I'm not doubting that Rex loves Asa, 645 00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:04,753 and cared for her in appropriate ways. 646 00:35:04,754 --> 00:35:06,886 People like my dad, and with Rex, 647 00:35:06,887 --> 00:35:09,802 they can have very normal, stable families, 648 00:35:09,803 --> 00:35:11,760 and homes, and lives, 649 00:35:11,761 --> 00:35:14,372 and they're compartmentalizing that. 650 00:35:14,373 --> 00:35:16,374 And it's not even that they're using it 651 00:35:16,375 --> 00:35:18,637 as a cover to hide their behavior. 652 00:35:18,638 --> 00:35:20,160 They literally are that, 653 00:35:20,161 --> 00:35:22,119 and then they're switching and are this. 654 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,339 But they're always both of those things. 655 00:35:34,654 --> 00:35:38,222 Just on your own, how are you doing with everything? 656 00:35:38,223 --> 00:35:41,399 Well, for one thing, my self-esteem 657 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,184 and self-worth is six feet under. Yeah. 658 00:35:44,185 --> 00:35:48,145 I feel like I definitely do jump between depression and anger. 659 00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:50,451 Mm-hm. Like why-- You know, like, 660 00:35:50,452 --> 00:35:53,237 why am I even here anymore, you know? Yeah. 661 00:35:53,238 --> 00:35:55,804 Like, there's people out there that want me dead. I was... 662 00:35:55,805 --> 00:35:59,156 Yeah. Me too. I was like, 13 years old. 663 00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:02,463 Like, why do I have to go, you know? 664 00:36:02,464 --> 00:36:05,597 Yeah, I've had death threats. And people say, like, 665 00:36:05,598 --> 00:36:08,296 my dad should have left an 11th victim. Her. 666 00:36:10,255 --> 00:36:14,519 Have you seen your father since everything happened? 667 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,783 I visited him once. 668 00:36:17,784 --> 00:36:19,611 What's scary is, 669 00:36:19,612 --> 00:36:22,179 even when I saw him, like when I visit him in jail, like, 670 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:26,052 he just seems like, himself. How he always is. 671 00:36:26,053 --> 00:36:30,143 And it's just so hard to even believe the fact that, 672 00:36:30,144 --> 00:36:33,929 you know, he's this sick killer. 673 00:36:33,930 --> 00:36:36,018 But at the same time, like, 674 00:36:36,019 --> 00:36:38,151 because I was so young at the time, 675 00:36:38,152 --> 00:36:42,503 I also don't know that he's not this sick killer. 676 00:36:42,504 --> 00:36:45,637 At this point, I just mentally, mentally prepare myself 677 00:36:45,638 --> 00:36:49,249 or mentally protect myself for the ultimate outcome. 678 00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:52,687 Even though I knew factually, in part of my head, 679 00:36:52,688 --> 00:36:55,124 that in my case, my father was guilty 680 00:36:55,125 --> 00:36:57,126 because I was being told all these things. 681 00:36:57,127 --> 00:36:59,433 It took a very long time to wrap my head around 682 00:36:59,434 --> 00:37:01,479 that my father actually did them. 683 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,047 And I still have not fully, nor will I ever, 684 00:37:05,048 --> 00:37:06,440 fully believe it in my heart 685 00:37:06,441 --> 00:37:09,443 because it just doesn't fit the man I know. 686 00:37:09,444 --> 00:37:12,229 And if you're like me, one day you might be mad at him. 687 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:14,666 One day you might be sad that you don't have him. 688 00:37:14,667 --> 00:37:18,147 And that's completely normal and expected, right? 689 00:37:18,148 --> 00:37:20,411 It's really easier said than done 690 00:37:20,412 --> 00:37:22,239 just to not be so angry at it. 691 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,024 Sometimes you're angry, sometimes you're in denial. 692 00:37:25,025 --> 00:37:27,026 Some days you're okay, right? 693 00:37:27,027 --> 00:37:31,335 Some days you're recovering. Some days you're rock bottom. 694 00:37:31,336 --> 00:37:34,425 Whether or not I believe my dad did it or not, that's, 695 00:37:34,426 --> 00:37:36,035 I'm on the fence about that. 696 00:37:36,036 --> 00:37:39,038 Like, there's part of me thinks he didn't do it. 697 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:40,692 Heavily believes he didn't do it. 698 00:37:40,693 --> 00:37:43,260 But at the same time, like, I don't know. He could have just 699 00:37:43,261 --> 00:37:44,697 totally had a double life. 700 00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:48,917 Her and I's reality is 701 00:37:48,918 --> 00:37:51,050 we're never gonna be able to separate ourselves 702 00:37:51,051 --> 00:37:54,183 from our fathers and what they did. 703 00:37:54,184 --> 00:37:56,490 I know in the bottom of my heart, 704 00:37:56,491 --> 00:37:59,406 my father loved and cared for us, and protected us, 705 00:37:59,407 --> 00:38:02,931 but he also, I know in the bottom of my heart, 706 00:38:02,932 --> 00:38:04,977 committed murder. 707 00:38:04,978 --> 00:38:06,848 You're never, ever gonna be able 708 00:38:06,849 --> 00:38:08,676 to wrap your head completely around it. 709 00:38:08,677 --> 00:38:10,069 I just can't. I can't. 710 00:38:14,248 --> 00:38:17,946 We've seen daughters and wives of serial killers 711 00:38:17,947 --> 00:38:19,905 coming out publicly with their story. 712 00:38:19,906 --> 00:38:22,255 And seeing them grapple with the reality 713 00:38:22,256 --> 00:38:24,998 of their loved one's guilt in real time. 714 00:38:26,434 --> 00:38:29,131 And that may be what's happening here with Victoria. 715 00:38:29,132 --> 00:38:31,960 Maybe she's slowly processing 716 00:38:31,961 --> 00:38:35,790 all of this very seemingly airtight evidence. 717 00:38:35,791 --> 00:38:38,576 And realizing, you know, horror of horrors. 718 00:38:38,577 --> 00:38:41,231 My dad is, in fact, a serial killer. 719 00:38:52,634 --> 00:38:55,027 The 59-year-old architect has been jailed 720 00:38:55,028 --> 00:38:56,724 at the Riverhead Correctional Facility 721 00:38:56,725 --> 00:38:59,510 since he was taken into custody on July 13th. 722 00:38:59,511 --> 00:39:00,772 Aside from his attorney, 723 00:39:00,773 --> 00:39:02,339 Heuermann received one visit 724 00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:03,862 from a non-family member. 725 00:39:03,863 --> 00:39:06,734 He mentioned to me that there was a friend, 726 00:39:06,735 --> 00:39:08,432 but I don't know who it was. 727 00:39:08,433 --> 00:39:10,999 Heuermann's been visited by a chaplain 728 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,480 and one unnamed acquaintance. 729 00:39:13,481 --> 00:39:16,004 If we knew the identity of this person, 730 00:39:16,005 --> 00:39:18,355 what might we learn about the alleged killer, 731 00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:21,707 and what he's thinking and feeling inside prison? 732 00:39:27,713 --> 00:39:30,149 Heuermann is monitored 24/7. 733 00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:34,109 He spends the majority of his time in a 10-by-6 jail cell. 734 00:39:34,110 --> 00:39:36,677 Heuermann's been visited by a chaplain 735 00:39:36,678 --> 00:39:40,159 and one unnamed acquaintance. 736 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,857 I'm in a story that I never wanted to be. 737 00:39:42,858 --> 00:39:44,816 I'm the best friend of a serial killer. 738 00:39:44,817 --> 00:39:47,515 The odds are one to 150 million. 739 00:39:48,864 --> 00:39:51,170 It's like I hit a lotto, but I didn't win any money. 740 00:39:51,171 --> 00:39:53,608 You know, like-- And not a good lotto. 741 00:39:54,827 --> 00:39:58,134 I decided to go visit Rex in prison. 742 00:40:00,354 --> 00:40:02,399 It was surreal. 743 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,578 The guard lets me in, and that's when I see him sitting down. 744 00:40:08,014 --> 00:40:09,406 In the middle of the room 745 00:40:09,407 --> 00:40:12,192 behind a low partition wall. 746 00:40:13,628 --> 00:40:18,590 And he says, "Hi, David. Thanks for coming to see me." 747 00:40:19,982 --> 00:40:24,725 And I said, "Rex, this is really bad." 748 00:40:24,726 --> 00:40:25,857 This is... 749 00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:29,338 I said, "If you did that, 750 00:40:29,339 --> 00:40:31,776 that's another part of you that I've never seen." 751 00:40:31,777 --> 00:40:35,475 The Rex that I know couldn't have done that. 752 00:40:35,476 --> 00:40:38,697 Everything I hear, it looks like you did it. 753 00:40:39,741 --> 00:40:42,352 Convince me. Give me something. 754 00:40:44,137 --> 00:40:45,746 I said they're even accusing you 755 00:40:45,747 --> 00:40:48,532 of killing prostitutes in Vegas. 756 00:40:48,533 --> 00:40:50,621 And he had a very visceral reaction. 757 00:40:50,622 --> 00:40:54,277 "Huh. Vegas. All I did was gamble and drink there." 758 00:40:55,235 --> 00:40:57,236 I said, "They dug up your house. 759 00:40:57,237 --> 00:40:58,977 They're looking for evidence." 760 00:40:58,978 --> 00:41:00,369 His reaction was, "Ha! 761 00:41:00,370 --> 00:41:02,415 They're never gonna to find anything there." 762 00:41:02,416 --> 00:41:03,938 Just like that. 763 00:41:03,939 --> 00:41:07,333 So I said, "There's so much evidence against you." 764 00:41:07,334 --> 00:41:09,944 "I don't even believe you, Rex. And you're my friend." 765 00:41:09,945 --> 00:41:12,947 Unless you have something to explain to me 766 00:41:12,948 --> 00:41:15,908 how you didn't do it, then come clean it. 767 00:41:17,126 --> 00:41:19,301 Apologize to the victims. 768 00:41:19,302 --> 00:41:22,043 Don't drag your wife through all this. 769 00:41:22,044 --> 00:41:25,657 Do the right thing. If you did it, confess. 770 00:41:27,049 --> 00:41:33,533 He was really drawn white, I mean, he's an empty shell. 771 00:41:33,534 --> 00:41:34,926 Empty shell, like, just... 772 00:41:34,927 --> 00:41:38,103 You could tell it's a destroyed human being. 773 00:41:38,104 --> 00:41:41,498 So that made me think more 774 00:41:41,499 --> 00:41:44,109 that he did it because he's hurt. 775 00:41:44,110 --> 00:41:46,634 'Cause he's smart enough to know that that's wrong. 776 00:41:48,288 --> 00:41:50,943 It's like, "Did you do it?" 777 00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:53,075 And then... 778 00:41:58,254 --> 00:42:01,082 He teared up... he teared up a little bit. 779 00:42:01,083 --> 00:42:02,998 And he started crying. 780 00:42:05,218 --> 00:42:07,481 I expected to hear: 781 00:42:08,308 --> 00:42:09,438 "David, I'm innocent. 782 00:42:09,439 --> 00:42:10,615 Can you help me out?" 783 00:42:11,877 --> 00:42:13,269 And he's like this... 784 00:42:16,185 --> 00:42:18,665 And that's when I get the feeling, 785 00:42:18,666 --> 00:42:20,059 I think he did it. 786 00:42:48,696 --> 00:42:51,176 Okay, where do we stand with Asa? 787 00:42:51,177 --> 00:42:52,830 I've witnessed a woman 788 00:42:52,831 --> 00:42:55,746 who was completely, emotionally distraught. 789 00:42:55,747 --> 00:42:57,182 When this first happened, 790 00:42:57,183 --> 00:42:58,923 her entire world was turned upside down. 791 00:42:58,924 --> 00:43:02,013 Didn't know who to trust, what to believe. 792 00:43:02,014 --> 00:43:06,060 The allegations against her husband being a serial killer 793 00:43:06,061 --> 00:43:07,845 are pretty heinous. 794 00:43:07,846 --> 00:43:11,023 It took a lot to get her to a point of stability. 795 00:43:12,285 --> 00:43:14,068 And... you know... 796 00:43:16,289 --> 00:43:17,769 Okay. 797 00:43:19,074 --> 00:43:21,120 All right, quiet, please. 798 00:43:29,650 --> 00:43:30,825 No. 799 00:43:32,174 --> 00:43:34,001 I'm not asking myself that question 800 00:43:34,002 --> 00:43:36,091 because I believe that I would know. 801 00:43:37,615 --> 00:43:42,227 And until I see definite, definitive proof, 802 00:43:42,228 --> 00:43:45,492 there's no way I'm going to know for sure... 803 00:43:47,015 --> 00:43:51,280 whether or not I saw the signs. 804 00:44:07,775 --> 00:44:09,995 I have no idea that they're his. 805 00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:13,651 I really, honestly don't. 806 00:44:21,963 --> 00:44:24,051 We know what the allegations are. 807 00:44:24,052 --> 00:44:25,226 We know, at this point, 808 00:44:25,227 --> 00:44:26,967 what was taken out of the computers 809 00:44:26,968 --> 00:44:28,360 and the forensic evidence 810 00:44:28,361 --> 00:44:29,840 that may or may not have been removed 811 00:44:29,841 --> 00:44:31,450 out of the house at the time frames. 812 00:44:31,451 --> 00:44:33,582 I don't think she wants to know the answers. 813 00:44:33,583 --> 00:44:35,846 I think Asa is an extremely intelligent woman. 814 00:44:35,847 --> 00:44:37,369 I think she's what they call 815 00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:40,372 a domestic Stockholm syndrome type of victim 816 00:44:40,373 --> 00:44:42,983 where they come to love and respect this person 817 00:44:42,984 --> 00:44:45,291 because it's the only thing that they know. 818 00:44:58,565 --> 00:45:00,435 Circumstantial. 819 00:45:00,436 --> 00:45:03,830 There's enough circumstantial evidence that a person 820 00:45:03,831 --> 00:45:05,658 could come to a reasonable conclusion 821 00:45:05,659 --> 00:45:08,139 that something may have happened here. 822 00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:09,618 But you have to consider, 823 00:45:09,619 --> 00:45:11,359 if these allegations are true against Rex, 824 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,187 some of these homicides took place 825 00:45:13,188 --> 00:45:17,017 before Rex was even with Asa, or married to Asa. 826 00:45:17,018 --> 00:45:20,064 And I believe he victimized her 827 00:45:20,065 --> 00:45:22,022 by bringing her into the marriage 828 00:45:22,023 --> 00:45:24,417 and continuing his crime pattern. 829 00:45:25,940 --> 00:45:30,161 I think Rex saw Asa as a weak, emotional person 830 00:45:30,162 --> 00:45:31,771 that fit the profile he needed 831 00:45:31,772 --> 00:45:34,208 to continue this course of conduct. 832 00:45:34,209 --> 00:45:37,342 Somebody that was emotionally stable 833 00:45:37,343 --> 00:45:39,431 would have maybe caught on 834 00:45:39,432 --> 00:45:42,521 to some of the allegations a lot sooner, 835 00:45:42,522 --> 00:45:45,176 or Rex would not have been able to get away with this 836 00:45:45,177 --> 00:45:46,874 over the course of 25, 30 years. 837 00:46:08,853 --> 00:46:10,375 No. 838 00:46:10,376 --> 00:46:11,637 I'm not gonna believe 839 00:46:11,638 --> 00:46:13,814 any of that information until I see it. 840 00:46:14,989 --> 00:46:17,338 She doesn't want to believe it. 841 00:46:17,339 --> 00:46:21,299 She looked at Rex as her savior, 842 00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:23,127 her hero from her first marriage 843 00:46:23,128 --> 00:46:24,737 to rescue her and Christopher, 844 00:46:24,738 --> 00:46:26,957 and took them into his home. 845 00:46:26,958 --> 00:46:28,915 And cared for them, and raised them, 846 00:46:28,916 --> 00:46:31,483 and supported them when nobody else was there 847 00:46:31,484 --> 00:46:33,181 to help Asa at a time of need. 848 00:46:51,112 --> 00:46:54,898 So then we all have to wait for the court case to play out. 849 00:46:54,899 --> 00:46:56,551 Period. 850 00:46:56,552 --> 00:46:59,554 I don't know if she ever will believe it. 851 00:46:59,555 --> 00:47:01,819 I don't think if Rex pled guilty... 852 00:47:02,820 --> 00:47:04,517 she still wouldn't believe it. 853 00:47:06,127 --> 00:47:10,262 My husband, he's a family man. 854 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,395 He's my hero. 855 00:47:14,353 --> 00:47:16,963 What I wanna say to him is: 856 00:47:16,964 --> 00:47:19,879 "I love you no matter what." 857 00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:35,721 This case is interesting for a myriad of reasons. 858 00:47:35,722 --> 00:47:38,942 It, quite literally, was 859 00:47:38,943 --> 00:47:43,903 one of America's longest serial killer cold cases. 860 00:47:43,904 --> 00:47:47,167 The fact that there were so many murders in this case, 861 00:47:47,168 --> 00:47:51,693 so many missing people that, over the years, 862 00:47:51,694 --> 00:47:54,827 felt like no one really cared about them. 863 00:47:54,828 --> 00:47:56,046 Why is that? 864 00:47:56,047 --> 00:47:59,223 Well, the women that were missing 865 00:47:59,224 --> 00:48:00,790 were sex workers. 866 00:48:02,140 --> 00:48:04,663 No family should have to go through 867 00:48:04,664 --> 00:48:06,186 what we're all going through. 868 00:48:06,187 --> 00:48:09,059 'Cause it's not just these girls that lost their lives, 869 00:48:09,060 --> 00:48:11,018 we lost part of our lives too. 870 00:48:15,501 --> 00:48:17,415 In almost all these cases, 871 00:48:17,416 --> 00:48:19,939 these women were looking for something better in their lives, 872 00:48:19,940 --> 00:48:22,202 and they wanted to escape their circumstances 873 00:48:22,203 --> 00:48:23,769 that they were saddled with, 874 00:48:23,770 --> 00:48:25,815 and through no fault of their own. 875 00:48:27,078 --> 00:48:29,296 Megan Waterman was 22 years old. 876 00:48:29,297 --> 00:48:32,082 She was a mother of a 5-year-old child. 877 00:48:32,083 --> 00:48:35,955 Amber Lynn Costello, she moved to New York from North Carolina 878 00:48:35,956 --> 00:48:38,915 to be closer to her sister, and to get sober. 879 00:48:38,916 --> 00:48:42,919 Melissa Barthelemy tried to make it as a hairstylist, 880 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,139 but ended up an exotic dancer. 881 00:48:46,836 --> 00:48:50,013 This serial killer mystery had multiple hooks. 882 00:48:50,014 --> 00:48:52,580 It wasn't just about the sex workers 883 00:48:52,581 --> 00:48:55,105 who turned up on this remote stretch of beach 884 00:48:55,106 --> 00:48:57,456 out in Suffolk County, Long Island. 885 00:48:59,023 --> 00:49:01,328 It was also about who were the players 886 00:49:01,329 --> 00:49:03,591 that were surrounding this mystery. 887 00:49:03,592 --> 00:49:06,290 We had a police chief who had been investigated 888 00:49:06,291 --> 00:49:09,250 for consorting with sex workers. 889 00:49:12,340 --> 00:49:14,646 And then there was this taunting that went on 890 00:49:14,647 --> 00:49:17,258 on the cell phones to one of the victims' families. 891 00:49:18,172 --> 00:49:19,868 Who was this guy? 892 00:49:19,869 --> 00:49:22,742 Why was he taunting the sister of one of the victims? 893 00:49:25,397 --> 00:49:30,401 But Rex Heuermann is not the only villain in this story. 894 00:49:30,402 --> 00:49:32,794 So many people, when they look at this case, 895 00:49:32,795 --> 00:49:34,535 and where it is today, wanna know 896 00:49:34,536 --> 00:49:36,408 how Asa couldn't have known. 897 00:49:37,626 --> 00:49:39,105 And that's what people need to understand 898 00:49:39,106 --> 00:49:41,978 when they rush towards judgment. 899 00:49:41,979 --> 00:49:43,718 People are deceived constantly. 900 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,287 Men have decades long affairs and their wives never find out. 901 00:49:47,288 --> 00:49:50,116 Rex Heuermann was having an affair as a serial killer. 902 00:49:50,117 --> 00:49:53,380 I mean, this is what he was doing in his spare time. 903 00:49:53,381 --> 00:49:56,253 This is what he was working day-in and day-out 904 00:49:56,254 --> 00:49:58,082 to conceal from his wife. 905 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,958 At first, I felt sorry for Asa, and the family. 906 00:50:06,090 --> 00:50:10,049 I could imagine how traumatizing 907 00:50:10,050 --> 00:50:13,749 all of this was for that family. 908 00:50:14,837 --> 00:50:18,015 You know, like, she is also a victim. 909 00:50:19,364 --> 00:50:21,321 But then, you know, it came out 910 00:50:21,322 --> 00:50:23,410 that she believed he was innocent. 911 00:50:23,411 --> 00:50:24,716 And I... 912 00:50:24,717 --> 00:50:26,457 And then I, you know, any sympathy, 913 00:50:26,458 --> 00:50:29,591 any empathy I had for her quickly dwindled. 914 00:50:30,766 --> 00:50:33,377 I think we should always be careful to 915 00:50:33,378 --> 00:50:36,032 not place her in the same category 916 00:50:36,033 --> 00:50:40,166 as the real victims, because she still has her life. 917 00:50:40,167 --> 00:50:42,777 As bleak as it may look, she still has her life. 918 00:50:42,778 --> 00:50:45,780 The Gilgo Four and the three other women we know of, 919 00:50:45,781 --> 00:50:48,000 they don't have their lives anymore. 920 00:50:48,001 --> 00:50:52,745 And their families, they have suffered unimaginable tragedy. 921 00:50:53,615 --> 00:50:54,920 There's real women 922 00:50:54,921 --> 00:50:56,313 that have been lost. 923 00:50:56,314 --> 00:50:57,575 Real victims, 924 00:50:57,576 --> 00:51:00,186 real families here on all sides of it. 925 00:51:00,187 --> 00:51:02,754 And allegedly, it is one person's fault. 926 00:51:02,755 --> 00:51:06,801 His actions, his choices, his decisions, 927 00:51:06,802 --> 00:51:09,717 and that's where the blame needs to go. 928 00:51:09,718 --> 00:51:12,242 That's where the consequences need to go. 929 00:51:12,243 --> 00:51:16,247 That's where the accountability needs to go on that one person. 930 00:51:46,364 --> 00:51:52,108 They weren't just prostitutes, as everybody is saying. 931 00:51:52,109 --> 00:51:56,547 They were daughters, sisters, cousins, nieces... 932 00:51:56,548 --> 00:51:58,244 Mothers. Mothers. 933 00:51:58,245 --> 00:51:59,985 Exactly. They were just Maureen, 934 00:51:59,986 --> 00:52:01,770 Melissa, Amber, and Megan. 935 00:52:12,129 --> 00:52:14,869 I think it's safe to assume there's more evidence coming, 936 00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:17,350 that they have a lot more information on Rex 937 00:52:17,351 --> 00:52:20,440 that they have not released for whatever purpose. 938 00:52:20,441 --> 00:52:23,791 If there is a trial, everything we don't know about, 939 00:52:23,792 --> 00:52:26,707 all the evidence they have that we're imagining they have, 940 00:52:26,708 --> 00:52:30,015 like any blood or DNA that they may have found in the basement 941 00:52:30,016 --> 00:52:32,713 from the two raids on the family home. 942 00:52:32,714 --> 00:52:34,237 We're gonna to find out. 943 00:52:34,238 --> 00:52:36,891 So I think everyone will be on the edge of their seat, 944 00:52:36,892 --> 00:52:40,068 hanging on every word of this trial. 945 00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:43,420 Any good investigator will tell you it's not over 946 00:52:43,421 --> 00:52:45,248 till they hand down the guilty verdict, 947 00:52:45,249 --> 00:52:47,075 and the appeals are exhausted, 948 00:52:47,076 --> 00:52:49,252 and he's sitting his rear end in jail. 949 00:52:49,253 --> 00:52:51,342 That's when it's over. 950 00:52:59,872 --> 00:53:01,873 A showdown in court today 951 00:53:01,874 --> 00:53:04,136 as both sides argued over whether or not 952 00:53:04,137 --> 00:53:08,096 DNA evidence can and should be admitted in this murder trial. 953 00:53:08,097 --> 00:53:11,839 They want to, in essence, have a jury 954 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,191 rely on this, which is not trustworthy, 955 00:53:15,192 --> 00:53:18,542 it's not reliable, it's not scientific, 956 00:53:18,543 --> 00:53:20,848 and it shouldn't be utilized in a court. 957 00:53:20,849 --> 00:53:22,198 It's not new technology. 958 00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:24,722 It's used in all of our everyday lives. 959 00:53:24,723 --> 00:53:26,985 It's used in medical, 960 00:53:26,986 --> 00:53:30,118 forensic, paleontology, 961 00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:32,730 identifying war dead, all of these things. 962 00:53:32,731 --> 00:53:36,255 So we're just applying this very effective 963 00:53:36,256 --> 00:53:40,520 and tried and true technology to the courtrooms. 964 00:53:40,521 --> 00:53:42,609 Another thing. 965 00:53:42,610 --> 00:53:45,003 Seven murders Heuermann is tied to 966 00:53:45,004 --> 00:53:47,788 whether those cases should be tried together. 967 00:53:47,789 --> 00:53:52,315 Each case has to be proved with the elements 968 00:53:52,316 --> 00:53:53,881 beyond a reasonable doubt. 969 00:53:53,882 --> 00:53:55,448 That's the law. That's the requirement. 970 00:53:55,449 --> 00:53:58,190 And that's what the judge will tell the jury. 971 00:53:58,191 --> 00:54:02,325 The danger of having count after count, victim after victim 972 00:54:02,326 --> 00:54:07,243 in the same trial is that smoke-there's-fire mentality. 973 00:54:07,244 --> 00:54:09,506 They shouldn't be tried together. 974 00:54:09,507 --> 00:54:12,335 Now, if Heuermann's attorney has it his way, 975 00:54:12,336 --> 00:54:14,380 he would want five separate trials. 976 00:54:14,381 --> 00:54:15,903 No ruling has been made on that. 977 00:54:55,161 --> 00:55:00,601 Now that this life in this house is coming to an end... 978 00:55:05,389 --> 00:55:08,305 it makes me feel like there's a new beginning. 979 00:55:12,831 --> 00:55:15,312 What that life is gonna be like? 980 00:55:16,748 --> 00:55:18,663 I do not know. 981 00:55:23,058 --> 00:55:25,496 I will find out eventually. 982 00:55:28,063 --> 00:55:32,198 And I will deal with it the best to my, the best that I can. 983 00:55:33,155 --> 00:55:35,288 Boxes and boxes of stuff. 984 00:55:36,768 --> 00:55:40,771 I did what I had to do to protect myself and my children.